Thursday, April 28, 2011

More on the ego-mind from The Risen

Fractals in Soil Science

Change is the vehicle for creatively moving about and within Reality. When sensed, distance and space combine to manifest the sense of movement, simultaneously manifesting an experiential sense of time. Connecting with true Reality, or even the beginning awareness of a projected edge against Reality, would initiate a weakening of the simulate self’s structure, contributing to its possible dissolution and reintegration into something larger, even while Authentic Self is still earth-embodied. The dissolution of the ego-mind and its simulate selves is inevitable, which the ego-mind correctly understands and greatly dreads as its own kind of death. It also instinctively understands that it will become severed from all its relationships with the material world when the individualized Authentic Self transitions to a state where a different kind of embodiment is experienced from the current one. The refusal to accept the instinctual knowledge of its own death and any related references to death is the base element of the complex ego-system known as denial.

Change, or mutation, is the means of continuance for material expression of Authentic Self. For the ego-mind, mutation forewarns an ending, or death. Transmutation, or mutation to a Risen state, is the ending of the ego-mind. For Authentic Self, any ending contains the experience of the next beginning, and the next, and so on, forever. The construct known as the ego-mind has learned how to convince us that its sense of ending is erroneously our own. This feeling is not authored by Authentic Self and so is inauthentic to us, which we feel as a discomfort. This discomfort is little more than psychic effluvium, but because of our agreement to live by the rules of an inauthentic personality, we accept its idea that this feeling is something called “fear” and that we should act in a prescribed way when sensing it. (Chapter 10, p. 76)


At Mon May 02, 02:45:00 AM 2011, Blogger Richard Ashton said...

Hello August and Tim, it is always interesting to see how spiritual teachings play out in reality. This discussion on the ego-mind seems to fit quite well with the numerous teachings regarding non-attachment. There are teachings that state that attachment is a cause of suffering. The ego-minds attachment to this physical existence seems to create the unnecessary suffering of fear of death.

In the book “The Risen” I do not recall any other aspects of mind discussed except ego-mind and simulate self. (I could have missed that though as there is quite a lot of information to assimilate). You speak of the Authentic Self as transitioning into the Risen world. Is there not a component of mind (like a spirit-mind) that is also a component of the mind in the physical world that would also transition into the Risen world with the Authentic Self? You speak of different jobs that the Risen could have such as guide, healer, scientist, etc. Would this not indicate that different Risen Ones have different states of mind, or consciousness, or personality, or individuality, or skills?

If the Authentic Self is that which is unchanging and from Original Creator Source, wouldn’t all Authentic Self be the same if there was no differences of mind in each Risen One? So my question is about Authentic Self and spiritual mind – is there anything you can say on this?

As always, thank you for your patience with all this questioning.


At Mon May 02, 01:55:00 PM 2011, Blogger August Goforth said...

It's very simple, yet the ego-mind wants to complicate it: analyze it, break it up, partialize it, control it, compare it, label it. We must resist and ignore such attempts. That which ignores it is Authentic Self.
All other "aspects of mind" are just variations on the themes of fear generated by ego-mind. Authentic Self doesn't transition but is there when we transition. My mind, for example, is Greater Mind individualized. The same mind I use is the Mind of Creator Source that everyone uses and is an inseparable part of Greater Mind. This individualization is Authentic Self. Because Greater Mind is perfect and complete, so is Authentic Self. Authentic Self is our ground of being from which all experience arises. It is always there and will always be there. We can do nothing to change it, but we can change our awareness and experience of being, which may result in different manifestations, which are unlimited. In the Risen, there is a quote at the beginning of the chapter on vibration:

“As you experience it yourself you experience that the entire material world is nothing but vibration. We have to experience the ocean of infinite waves surging within, the river of inner sensations flowing within, the eternal dance of the countless vibrations within every atom of the body. We have to witness our continuously changing nature. All of this is happening at an extremely subtle level . . . As you experience the reality of matter to be vibration, you also start experiencing the reality of the mind: consciousness, perception, sensation and reaction. If you experience them properly with Vipassana, it will become clear how they work.”

Vipassana is an word for a process of observation—observing “what is” from moment-to-moment—observing “what is” as it is, thus gaining a “panoramic view” of one’s life while immersed in all life. This could also be called "Authentic Self-Awareness." Don't worry about trying to find lables like "spiritual mind" - how will that help, really? It just makes more baggage. It seems to me it's often more of a process of unlearning and letting go, rather than acquiring more knowledge, which is what ego-mind likes to do. "Non-attachment" is yet another ego-mind label, believe it or not! So is "non-violent" - Krishnamurti's material is exceptionally eloquent on Authentic Self without mentioning it once; perhaps he realized that the ego-mind would even try to seize on that term and make it its own.

We might have to conceptualize in terms of "different jobs/careers" on Earth, and so at first, it's probably helpful to do the same thing when trying to conceptualize Risen life. But once Risen, you will learn a whole new way of communication, as well as more about what we call "thought". As an individualized center point of Mind, you will continue to use Mind but in a new way.

At Wed May 04, 07:20:00 PM 2011, Blogger Richard Ashton said...

For me it is quite difficult to comprehend what life after death of the physical body will be like. I'm getting to the point of looking at life here and now within this physical body trying to understand the "aspects of being" that a physical body, including the brain, senses and environment bring and then eliminating the body/brain and environment.

This elimination of the body/brain and environment would create a different "aspect of being" for life after death of the physical body. The "aspects of being" that are currently dependent on the body/brain and environment would not transition. The "aspects of being" that are not dependent on the body/brain and environment will be the "aspects of being" in the new reality after death of the physical body that will transition.

How does that sound?


At Thu May 05, 09:50:00 AM 2011, Blogger August Goforth said...

Who or what is it that feels or thinks that there is any such thing as aspects of being? What does such a phrase mean, if anything? Is it important? Yes . . . it is difficult to comprehend what life after death of the physical body will be like because the human brain is not designed for it. The Risen can no longer comprehend what life on earth is like, for they quickly forget, no longer having the same body and brain for sensing and measuring. The ego-mind is no longer needed and cannot survive with us once we leave the body, although our personalities, which had been influenced and shaped by the ego-mind, will carry the influences, until they, too, are dissolved as one vibrates higher and higher. While striving for comprehension, strive for consciously aware experience first, so that understanding can follow.

At Thu May 05, 04:34:00 PM 2011, Blogger Richard Ashton said...

At this point all I have to work with in trying to understand, is what I have. This includes ego-mind, which I realize is temporary and controlling. I am not aware of personal direct contact with Risen ones so I need to learn from the experiences of others. I try to look ahead to a point of existence after transition and work back from there. a----x----b. "a" = today, "x" = death and "b" = after getting beyond the confusion around transitioning to a new awareness.

It's all about trying to gather knowledge about "a"; "x" and "b".

For me, "aspects of being" include things today like: caring for a physical body (eating, sleeping, personal care, exercising ...); dealing with ego-mind and all that it presents (thoughts, self, emotions, ...); interactions with others and all of their physical and ego characteristics; and underatanding that all of this is temporary. That in the "b" exstence, none of this will be there. So then what's left, consciousness, personality, light, mind and freedom from limitations.

It is an area of interest for me to explore, like a hobby. I's fun to learn about and fun to have discussions with others about. Everyone seems to have a different perspective on life after death all the way from trying to learn as much about it as possible to not wanting to learn anything about it and just letting it be a surprise.

At Fri May 06, 05:39:00 PM 2011, Blogger Evelyn said...

This dissolution of the link between the ego-mind and the Authentic mind reminds me of a poem by Emily Dickinson

I died fo beauty, but--was scarce
Adjusted in the tomb,
When one who died for truth was lain
In an adjoining room.

He questioned softly why I failed?
"For beauty," I replied.
"And I for truth, -the two are one;
We brethren are," he said.

And so, as kinsmen met a night,
We talked between the rooms,
Until the moss had reached our lips,
And covered up our names.


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